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Jo Ann

Looks like it's a little colder, today. I really enjoy watching Liberty and Justice caring for their two little ones. They have really grown. Thank you Alcoa.

Catherine


Liberty just dropped off another fish and has left again. So far, I have seen 3 fish deliveries in the past half hour or so.

Catherine

Liberty has dropped off a fourth fish.

Catherine

L back with a fifth fish. The larder is full.

Catherine

L taking over brooding duties and J has left.

R L ML

Justice trying to sit on 2 babes, but they aren't cooperating too well. Liberty flew in for another visit and I think fish delivery. Any way there are now 3 fresh looking ones on the upper nest where there were 2 before. Liberty flew off and back again in a few minutes and now there are 4 fresh looking fish on the upper nest. Looks like she is through fishing and settling down on the babes with Justice looking on a bit before takeoff.

E. R.

10:40am CDT Looks like a fresh load of fish in nest this morning. Last poster said 4 so it seem Liberty is on a roll again with the fishing. Liberty tried to push straw up close with the little ones under her and one decided to poke his head out just as she grabbed a clump of straw. Poor little guy looked like a pile of hay moving. I don't think he understood what was happening, one minute he is look at the world and next minute he is look at hay. finally worked his way out of that. Hope all have a great Easter weekend, we got a little bit of rain in West Texas, no tornado and that is a good thing. We will take all the rain we can get right now.

Judith Hart

Food list
3-29-13
7:50am EDT 1 fish - wiggle tail-white bass
spotted by Doug
12:38pm EDT 1 fish
3-30-13
Catherine, you spotted all the fish so far, Doug spotted the coot.
11:05am EDT 1 BIG fish
11:15am EDT 1 fish
11:16am EDT 1 coot
11:33am EDT 1 fish
11:37am EDT 1 fish
11:41am EDT 1 fish

Catherine

Justice arrived with a stick as is working on placing it where he wants it.

E. R.

10:58am CDT --Justice just flew in with another stick for the nest wall. Amazing , Liberty let him place it where he wanted this time.LOL.

Catherine

J off again - guess he's looking for more sticks.

R L ML

Guess they are working together, she is bringing in the food supply to help the babies grow and he is bringing sticks to grow the nest and keep them in.

Catherine

I agree with you R L ML, they make a great team.

beamg

Wow and wow! I missed all those fish coming in and sounds like they came in one right after the other! Fish and sticks today!

Kind of gloomy looking weather-wise. It's 51° right now at my house, just west of the nest. So that's not bad but is suppose to start raining about 4, just when my Easter company gets here. I'll take rain over snow - hint, hint - Judith & ColleenM.

Time for me to quit cleaning and get ready for company! Keep up the good posting everyone - I love catching up that way when I can't just sit and watch. :)

Michelle, Colorado Springs, CO

It's hard to believe it's been 2 weeks already. Time sure does fly and before we know it, these eaglets will be fledging and flying away also. :)

gregory

this morning at 8:55-- i saw a feeding. then little al had a straw stuck in his craw and shook violently to expell it..
it worried me because i thought he was choking-- i didnt post anything cause i thought it might be upsetting. did any one else see that?

so i watched and watched and he looked lifeless. then i saw him moving again at 11:00 am but still had the straw in his mouth.

then after the worry and not seeing any food, i had to run errands. now after 1 and 1/2 hours-- everything is fine and there are four or five fresh fish.

NOW--who am i to second guess this pair-- the have it down pat and i havent a clue!

Catherine

J in with what I think may be a squirrel. L took it from him ( my screen needed to refresh) now it looks like J is eating it and L is feeding the babies fish. If it's not a squirrel, it's a small mammal of some kind.

Coleen Perilloux Landry

Looks very windy and colder. Thank you, Alcoa, for giving us the opportunity to see nature at its finest. The little ones are growing quickly and soon we'll be holding our breaths as they get too close to the edge of the nest.

Catherine

A bit of excitement for a few minutes during the feeding. Something (possibly another eagle) got L and J very upset. They were both calling out numerous times and L seemed to puff up. J flew off to chase whatever it was out of the area. The babies immediately hunkered down and were quiet while this was going on. It seemed to me that they know there was danger near and they knew not to make any sounds. All over now and L is back to feeding them fish.

Catherine

Ooops, knew not know

gregory

looks like a clothes line accross the nest

gregory

coa is stuffed and passed out-- lil al is getting a good feed

Sandy R

What do they do with the old food? Bury it in the nest? Tell me again if it has been discussed, please.

Catherine

You got it right Sandy R. They generally just bury it under new straw and nest materials.

EaglesOnly

Gregory - that's probably our biggest fault, as a group of good people who love wildlife we aren't really capable of understanding eagle life. At least not to any extent. We can only observe. We know these are good parents and we pray they are always do what is right for the eaglets. That's all we can do. When in our minds we humanize them or at least domesticate them, is when we get off track.

Someone else made an observation a while ago that they think/thought E#1 is male and maybe E#2 is female because of their behavior so far. To me that would explain the difference in L&J's parenting this year. E#2 does not get treated as Spirit(#3) last year did, especially by Dad. In my mind, and I have no way to back this up,except my observations, last year's clutch were the two oldest - females, the 3rd - a male. This year I tend to think #1 is male and #2 is female. We'll be able to judge a little better as they grow. Always interesting!

EaglesOnly

And Libby either has a crush on the fish monger or she knows something we don't. I don't remember there ever being such a run on fish as there has been by her lately. What is up with that??

Mavis

EO...great observations about Justice's parenting compared to last year. I did read several times when trying to research "other" facts that the females are considered larger at hatching than the male which backs up Judith's theory. THere is no way for US to know but I did read that several times. I also read in 2 or 3 differtent articles, that the female's talons are about 2" long and the male's is about 1 and 1/4 " long...we might be able to observe this difference in a few weeks. I'm just reporting what I read...not what I know.

Catherine, I think it was you that noticed the babies hunkered down when the alarm was sounded and Liberty puffed up in the fight mode. I saw that too...it was as if the babies went straight from the feed mode to the "play dead" mode..I posted that observation along with a couple of pictures on NN. I thought maybe I was seeing things..glad you saw it too.

Catherine

EaglesOnly - I noticed that L did the same thing a few days ago (I think it was 7 fish on that run). I believe it was just a day or two before the last snow. Just a guess on my part, but she may be preparing for the predicted snowfall tomorrow evening.

ED PAVEK

HOW ABOUT LETTING US PICK NAMES OTHER THAN THE ONES YOU HAVE CHOSEN?

[email protected]

Judith Hart

EaglesOnly, If you can find any documented evidence to what you just stated, I'd love to see it. The only way I could agree with that is if 1 were an extremely large male and 2 a very small female. Whenever they band the eagles, I've yet to see a female in a clutch be the smallest.

I've looked at a few nests with three eaglets in each nest....all just about the same size, I figure 3 males or 3 females since you have nothing to compare them to.

It's also been noted in several articles that the female grows faster, and requires more food than the male.

Really, If you can show me an article that says differently, I'd love to see it.

Plus, if anyone can prove to me that AL...#2...E2 is not a male I'll donate $500. dollars to a non profit eagle rescue group in Iowa....near this nest area.

Catherine

Mavis - glad you got some photos of the alert a while ago. I won't be able to see them though as I still do not do FB. My loss. Be interesting if I can make it through this season without finally joining FB as I can tell that I am missing so much.

A little boxing match going on now that parents are not in the nest. NWZ - I know that at least one of them is nearby.

Judith Hart

Could they be filling up the nest because they sense the coming storm? Monday, the 25th they brought in 7 fish 1 coot and 1 rabbit. Today we're up to 5 fish and 1 coot, I think.
Anyone remember the weather Monday?

Joyce Richardson

10:5am PST.. Mom and Dad are gone and Coa is beating up on little Al. They both need some dusting powder. They seem to be itchy! Preening already? Maybe they need softer nesting mattresses. J has put up a fence in the middle of the nest.
Happy Easter you little Eggers !
Joyce, Pinecrest, Ca.

Kathy

Aren't these little guys a bit young to be left alone in the nest? Makes me nervous and they seem to be confused and scared.

Judith Hart

What is that thing under the coot at about 11:00? It looks like it has polka dots on it.

Catherine

Judith - see my post #28 on this thread. We are thinking alike regarding the fish delivery.

EaglesOnly

Judith - the person I referenced posted on the Alcoa Eagle Cam page. He cited studies by the CCB and others(no other names, just others) that since the bonking of these two is reciprocal(for the most part)he feels the oldest is male because males are less aggressive. If the oldest was female it would be one-sided, more prevalent, and we would see dominance and submission. I haven't checked out any of the studies personally yet.

My thoughts on sexing eaglets leans more towards size when they are older than 6 weeks, behavior, and beak/eye lineup.

Catherine

Judith - I think it is a small mammal. I saw J bring in a mammal earlier, but I couldn't get a positive I.D. on what it was.

RodJ

The only way to prove what sex the e1 & e2 are is to catch them and do some tests. You can base opinions on observations and statistics, but capture and testing is the only absolute way. JMO.

Jo Ann

Jaed.Pavek - Just to let you know, we had been submitting names (our choices) for the past few weeks. Alcoa only picked the names we submitted and put them on the list. I'm sure they got hundreds of names. Little one has to keep fighting on. Love this family.

Judith Hart

He must have had his eyes closed when Coa=1 was Bonking Al=2, when Al couldn't eat because of it.

gregory

MAY I ASK--

what difference is it that one is male or the other is female?

really-- they are both alive and healthy..
we have given them gender neurtral names.. and so lets have our fun!!

as far as the nest being unattended..--
that is a joke!

the eagle is there and because you cannot see the parent means only that it is ten feet away and conducting an intense survelance. MAKE NO DOUBT-- momma is watching everything!!

RodJ

Makes no difference to me Mavis. Just stating my opinion, for whatever it's worth.

RodJ

Sorry, I meant to say Gregory, not Mavis!:)

gregory

we encourage bluebirds.

have had them since 2003

an endangered specicies until 1990

the nest requires mantainance

NABS --google nabs

we have had nearly 80 fledge in only ten years.

ill get the NABS website and post it in a minute

Cristine

What a stockpile of fish! I guess it's "Fish while the fishing is good, right"? According to Ask.com......"Warm fronts cause surface water temperatures to increase, which encourages fish to feed on or near the warm surface. Fishing will be slow during or after a storm or cold front." Those eagles know! Amazing.

Catherine

Can really see those adorable little clown feet now.

Mavis

Hey Rodj...I'm with you...I thought I was saying something nice to EO...didn't want to get in the middle of this. EO said thru HER observations, she wondered if E1 was the male based on the way Justice is responding to it. I think that is what she said. I was letting her know that I too thought it an interesting theory..and threw out two more theories that I read about. I was fascinated about the talons...had not heard that one before. The other one..weight..supports Judith. EO's observations , I thought, were good observation. There is NO way for us to know..really know..without DNA testing OR we see one of them lay an egg.

The fish in the nest...I thought the article someone posted the other day about all the dead shad floating in the Mississippi might be a good assumption too.

gregory

NABS

look it up

Judith Hart

I don't think I've ever seen so many PS's stuck on all the sticks around the nest. Hope the rain gives it a good rinse off.

EaglesOnly

Ok folks - as far I'm concerned there is nothing to get in the middle of. I know that DNA is the only way to know the sex. I have been around birds all of my life. We are speculating, based on our experiences, knowledge, etc. That's it. We will never know for sure.

In my previous post and in others I've said the parenting, particularly Justice's is different with this clutch. The opinion I read, that I cited here for Judith, reinforced the thoughts I had already had, in at least that E#2 is not a male and I have firmly believed that Spirit is, which is why I thought Dad took care of him last year. I was here watching and in my opinion Spirit would have most likely not survived if not for Justice. Again...all just my opinions, based on my knowledge, experience and observations.

Mavis - I don't understand the comment about you thought you were saying something nice to me?? You misread my comments about my observation on the parent skills. They were about and have always been about Justice and E#2, not 1. As I've said numerous times, Justice does not cater to #2, who is the underdog like he did Spirit...which makes me of the opinion #2 is not male. But again..JMO.

Mavis

*****OT for Catherine*******

Catherine...if you want to join FB so you can join NN...let me know if you need help to set it up. The only info you HAVE to provide FB to set up an account is an email address (no one else will be able to see it). That is so they can send you a verification of the account and you click on it to confirm.

You can use a ficticious name...like catherine the great...or whatever..and you do not have to give address. The birthday can me made up also as long as you are over 18 or 21...can't remember.

Just thought I would share that with you...it is easy to do...and I think you would fit in with our NN group in a big way...

Coleen Perilloux Landry

When I think I should get off this site and straighten up my house, I take another look at Liberty's nest, then I don't feel so bad.
The wind has picked up considerably.

Judith Hart

EaglesOnly, I also believe the beak extends further back to the eye in females, then it does in the males, as you also stated.

We are not arguing, just comparing notes.NWZ

RodJ

Yep, I agree with EO and JH and Mavis, just comparing notes and opinions...NWZ!

Mavis

Hey EO...I am well know on here as the one who easily gets confused. The "nice" thing I was saying is that I thought you had some great observations to share. Yes..I think I did misread the E2..E1. I went back and reread and "got my mind straight"!! I do think E1 is the aggressive one..E1 is always bonking little E2 (the 2nd hatch). Sometimes E2 will bonk back...but he/she sure doesn't get as many licks in IMO.

Justice just landed and I THINK I saw another fish brought in!! Wind is picking up...bad weather seems to be moving in...

Judith Hart

Now the clothesline looks like a fishing pole in the nest. Justice is feeding both of them, must be Coot, he's plucking the feathers.

Judith Hart

On second thought, I don't know what he's plucking, what's flying through the air looks gray. More like fur.

Annette Kryske

1:08 PM PDT Justice just brought something into the nest.LIberty left. The bully knocked the little guy down. Now he is getting fed. After quite a bit of time, the little guy got up an got his food.No problems now. Both are getting fed and seemed happy.It must have been the coot that they are feasting on. Doesn't that look like a clothes line across the nest? (I wonder if they plan to hang their creatures on a line, if they takes up space in the net). Probably just a twig.Justice is really working on the coot. Little one is begging for food. There's no stopping him now.Hope Carolyn is video taping this for us. Love her videos. HAPPY EASTER.

Coleen Perilloux Landry in New Orleans

I love to see Liberty do her housekeeping. Wish she'd get rid of that poor rabbit carcass with the two legs hanging out.

Annette Kryske

1:40 PM PDT. Happy foursome together!! The wind is really ruffling the feathers quite a bit. Liberty is waiting patiently for Justice to move out, so she can take over doing some nest work.The clothesline seem to be in everyone's way. Wish I can reach over and move it out of the way.

gregory

i didnt meen my comment about the eagles laying in the backgrounnd- against any one..

just thought i would say-- i think the birds lay low sometimes-- but watch the nest steady.

thats--all.

i had seen the concern about the Al and Coa being left alone and i was convinced the parents had an EAGLE EYE!!

Cherrycarol

WOW! Liberty got all excited about that rabbit!

Judith Hart

Looks like a rabbit was just delivered.

beamg

With all that food in the nest one would think there is a blizzard coming! I think it was Justice just brought in a rabbit. These kids aren't going to starve, that's for sure! It's still 54° at my house but I know that can change in minutes. Gosh, I hope their intuition is wrong and we won't get snow but animals are probably much smarter than we are when it comes to the weather.

L just took off and seconds later Justice came in and is sitting on the left edge.

Ok, gotta go. Enjoy viewing everyone.
bbl

Judith Hart

Liberty saw something, stopped plucking the rabbit and took off. Five minutes later Justice did the same thing. Kids are alone bonking eack other in the nest.Coa really grabbed Al by the wing, OUCH!
What will the parents return with now?
Parents returned with a stick, Liberty off again, Justice in the nest.

E. R.

Gee sure hope E2 is still breathing after that fight. That was almost Cain and Able for sure. I Know they do this all the time but this was a knock down drag out fight and parents were off shopping for a stick. Too bad they can't use it to knock some sense in E1 head,little thug.LOL

Judith Hart

Liberty just returned with another fish. Feeding time.

ColleenM

I saw that Judith! The little one has been getting bonked allot today when I've checked in...Now, parent is skinning something, throwing fur all over the babies!@6:00, the older one is being fed by both parents.Justice just brought another fish to the nest.

ColleenM

Oops, my bad on the parent! The little one just got a good feeding too, and a good "PS"!! LOL

Judith Hart

NEW FOOD TALLY AS OF 6:00 PM EDT

Food list
3-29-13
7:50am EDT 1 fish - wiggle tail-white bass
spotted by Doug
12:38pm EDT 1 fish
3-30-13
Catherine, you spotted all the fish so far, Doug spotted the coot and Carol spotted the rabbit.
11:05am EDT 1 BIG fish
11:15am EDT 1 fish
11:16am EDT 1 coot
11:33am EDT 1 fish
11:37am EDT 1 fish
11:41am EDT 1 fish
1:01PM EDT 1 small mammal?
4:12PM EDT 1 fish
5:37PM EDT 1 rabbit
6:00PM EDT 1 fish

Lunatictic

Why is no one feeding the little one? So sad!

nanapeg

Oh dear, Judith...I hope that doesn't mean J&L are anticipating a blizzard. (Save me!!!) lol

Happy Easter everyone...

Judith Hart

E1 #1 Coa is going to get a whomping with an ugly stick!!!

Cherrycarol

he finally got fed, Just seems to be last all the time. No snow, thank goodness maybre some rain tonight. L&J really was feeding them a lot. And another fish Liberty brought in. See how flatter the nest is getting. All the food will make it flat. AMAZING HOW THAT WORKS. CAROL

Judith Hart

The food list for today is exactly the same as Monday, except for the addition of 1 small mammal spotted by Catherine.
7 fish, 1 coot, 1 rabbit, 1 mammal.

flowerpainter

oh no!!! not another Easter Bunny! :-)

Coleen Perilloux Landry in New Orleans

A bigger rabbit than the first one. I don't mind fish and ducks but somehow, a rabbit.....Yes, I know survival of the fittest but it makes me feel no better. I think Liberty is digging in for the night, she seems to be making the well deeper for the eaglets. Guess it will be bad weather.

Jo Ann

I guess the eagles don't realize it's Easter. He, he. I did make the picture smaller because it is a little hard to watch; little Peter Cottontail. That use to be my favorite book when I was little. Hold on tight, again, all of you Iowans. You might be getting some snow. Happy Easter Everyone! Blessings to all!

Judith Hart

Looks like they've changed the forecast again...things are looking brighter.
National Weather service Quad Cities, IA

Tonight: A 50 percent chance of rain, mainly before midnight. Cloudy, then gradually becoming partly cloudy, with a low around 38. South wind 5 to 10 mph becoming northwest after midnight. New precipitation amounts of less than a tenth of an inch possible.

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 55. Breezy, with a west wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 30 mph.

Sunday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 25. North wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph.

Monday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 40.

ColleenM

@ Coleen and Jo Ann, I feel I have kindred spirits now! I was the one always saying "eeeeuuu" last year when certain "food" was brought into the nest! LOL! I like you JoAnn don't even watch! In my little world, it's ALL fish! I didn't think the little one was going to get fed, but he did! @ Nan, JoAnn and ALL, have a very Happy and Blessed Easter. Spring hopes eternal! We had our first "real" Spring day here. But, back to cold and rainy tomorrow sad to say.

ColleenM

@ Judith, your weather is looking allot like ours!

JoAnn

Whoeeee it even LOOKS cold !!! But, it looks like they're doing well.

nanapeg

Lovely-- Lucille and Happy Easter to you.

Judith Hart

Colleen, Thanks! It's sneaking up on me.

Mavis

LUCILLE, Thank you for the card. You always put a lot of thought in choosing the right one to send us.

David

There use to be some sort of security lights on in the property, which allow a little light to be seen through nest at night time, to see any activity. Anyone know why there off now?

Mavis

8:39 PM EDT

How long have we been offline...anyone know?

nanapeg

Just happened...and by the time I finish this you will probably already have the feed back. lol

jimbob

I was offline for only about 2 minutes and back now.

The security light is still there and comes on at night for the previous poster asking.

Judith Hart

jimbib, David's right, I didn't notice it on the other night either. Maybe I dozed off too early.

Sandy Stricklin

Hello! For the last 3 mos I have been watching the SWF eagle cam in Ft Myers FL. I didn't worry about the weather down there. However, it looks like it's rather cold in Davenport. I'm a little concerned about one of the lets that doesn't seem to be under Liberty. Is anyone else concerned? Maybe it's warmer than it looks there.

I will add that the SWF eagles had 2 babies. The 2nd hatched got bonked a lot and always seemed to get fed last. But he's thriving now. He would have fledged first if E1(Hope) had not had an accidental fledge. It does seem like they both have full crops.

One last thing. Can someone tell me how you know what # post you are.

Thanks!

Sandy in Omaha

Judith Hart

Whoops! Mean't jimbob bob bob

EaglesOnly

Mom has her head tucked in, but I see two little imps poking out under her chest.

Mavis

Sandy,..if you put your curser on "PREVIOUS" and look at the bottom lower left of the page..the previous post # pops up. If you put it on NEXT...the next post # will pop up. If you look up in the URL address bar...you will see this:

http://alcoa.typepad.com/davenport_eagle_nest/2013/03/two-weeks-old/comments/page/96/#comments

See the 96? That is the post number you are on now

Judith Hart

Lucille, Thank You for the peaceful Easter card. Happy Easter to you Lucille,and all the eagleholics.

Sandy Stricklin

Thanks, Mavis. I'm on an iPad so I think that may be why I could not see the comment #. I'll fire up my good old desk top and take a look see.

EaglesOnly, that's what I was seeing too. From your experience do you think they can stay warm enough that way? Just wondering as I don't have any control over the matter. I've learned a lot watching the eagles in FL and try not to humanize. But, it's hard sometimes.

Sandy

EaglesOnly

Lucille - thank you for the beautiful card.

Sandy - You should be able to see the comment # in the url bar on your Ipad, as Mavis posted it. I have no problem on my Kindle Fire that way. As far them being warm enough, it's still 50 degrees here tonight and they are at the age where they are starting to regulate their body temps on their own. They were also still very close to Liberty so I think they'd be getting some warmth from her. It is hard sometimes, you want to keep them warm and safe. Just because they are so darn cute!

jimbob

That's ok Judith...I've been called worse !

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